Posts by Ultimate Reality

6

Watchtower Chronology 1823 to present

by Ultimate Reality in

over the course of a few years, and thanks to many on this board, i have assembled a history of the watchtower's most relevant articles that show the development of the 70 years, 607 b.c.e.

and how these ultimately get calculated to reach "the last days" with the appointment of the "faithful slave".. .

the following link contains a pdf with very little commentary and minimal notes.

Ultimate Reality

Thank you to all...

If anyone has questions on any of the quotes, please feel free to post them or send a PM.

--U R

6

Watchtower Chronology 1823 to present

by Ultimate Reality in

over the course of a few years, and thanks to many on this board, i have assembled a history of the watchtower's most relevant articles that show the development of the 70 years, 607 b.c.e.

and how these ultimately get calculated to reach "the last days" with the appointment of the "faithful slave".. .

the following link contains a pdf with very little commentary and minimal notes.

Over the course of a few years, and thanks to many on this board, I have assembled a history of the Watchtower's most relevant articles that show the development of the 70 years, 607 B.C.E. and how these ultimately get calculated to reach "the last days" with the appointment of the "faithful slave".

The following link contains a PDF with very little commentary and minimal notes. The purpose of this document is not to openly attack the chronology but to let the inconsistencies and, in some cases, outright lies speak for themselves. Therefore, the reader still needs to add up what this really means. However, the document can fill a need that many on this board have to address this key issue with their loved ones.

http://www.filesend.net/download.php?f=61ec893283371ad7a0194551cb56e1dd

In many cases, excuses for the Society and its teachings are claimed by both witnesses and the Society itself. However, these excuses vanish if it can be proven quantitatively that it is impossible for the Society to have been appointed by Christ...even assuming if all the secondary fulfillment concepts were true. The flawed chronology and the flawed interpretation and application of the 70 years show that this is just another religion and that the bible is not written as a code and riddle that men in Brooklyn were appointed to decipher to their own benefit.

I hope this document helps...

You will note that the page numbers start a 30, this is because this is part of a larger document (formatted in the same fashion) that I will post in the future.

34

1930's Great Crowd - Still a "generation" problem?

by xelder in

the recent "generation" explanation redo says that the generation means the anointed living now, and we can still have more anointed, therefore there is no limit on how long the generation can run.

this is an attempt to keep 1914 alive and healthy.. however, the wts still teaches that the great crowd began to be gathered in the 1930's (ex: rutherford had people stand and said "behold, the great multitude) since revelation defines the great crowd as coming out of the great tribulation, doesn't that create a life span problem?

what is going through the minds of even the youngest baptized 10 year old members of the great crowd in 1935 who are now in there 80's.. the other sheep of john 10 seems to fit a discription of gentiles.

Ultimate Reality

This is a big problem for them and they know it. As discussed, they will likely force down some totally illogical "new light" on the matter. Those faithful to the Governing Body will obey. I think all this talk about fear of apostates and loyalty to the GB in recent Watchtowers is preparation for the new teachings that are needed for a new generation of Witnesses.

The 1984 Survival book on page 185 says that God did not call the Great Crowd too soon...but the first ones called are dead.

11

California abductor has JW link

by Not Feeling It in

anyone hear about the ca abductor having a jw link via his wife?

i heard something from geraldo rivera on tv this morning.

his wife is/was associated.

Ultimate Reality

BTTT...

Any here at Bethel that can confirm his JW status? I have to think the Public Information Office telephone in Brooklyn is ringing with inquiring minds...

45

What's with all the 'Imminent' nonsense?

by AK - Jeff in

could it be that the proximity of 2014 is at the heart of it?.

i have no contact with jw's - except on this board - but my wife does at times with her family.

imminent is the cry of the sky for the jw's it seems.. i recall the years leading up to 1975 with a lot of that sort of thing.

Ultimate Reality

From my DC: "Armageddon is not around the corner...it's on the block and it coming straight ahead!"

This was repeated several times along with the stock prices of certain U.S. corporations and references to how the world needs a "spiritual stimulus package" -- which is what the new brochure provides.

8

Unusual "Experience" at the DC yesterday - Apostasy & Honor Killing

by Ultimate Reality in

jw
friends

during the concluding part on sunday's dc at the stanley theater, a missionary was interviewed and asked to give an encouraging experience from his assignment in an african country.. he started off by saying his "experience was bitter-sweet".

it was about a woman in her mid-20's that became a witness.

but she was a muslim and her mother had her hunted down and murdered as an honor-killing.

Ultimate Reality

Personally, I think the missionary went off-script and made a point about apostasy. He could have just said that she was killed for changing her religion. Perhaps he isn't fully on-board.

8

Unusual "Experience" at the DC yesterday - Apostasy & Honor Killing

by Ultimate Reality in

jw
friends

during the concluding part on sunday's dc at the stanley theater, a missionary was interviewed and asked to give an encouraging experience from his assignment in an african country.. he started off by saying his "experience was bitter-sweet".

it was about a woman in her mid-20's that became a witness.

but she was a muslim and her mother had her hunted down and murdered as an honor-killing.

Ultimate Reality

During the concluding part on Sunday's DC at the Stanley Theater, a missionary was interviewed and asked to give an encouraging experience from his assignment in an African country.

He started off by saying his "experience was bitter-sweet". It was about a woman in her mid-20's that became a witness. But she was a muslim and her mother had her hunted down and murdered as an honor-killing. Why? Because, as the missionary stated, "she converted to Christianity and they [Muslims] view that as apostasy."

He then tried to connect that horrific story to the story of another unrelated man that was muslim and eventually got baptized. I found it quite unusual and wondered if this brother went off-script by mentioning this murdered sister.

Especially in light of:

“We are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostasy from God and his theocratic organization…”

“Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent…” – Watchtower, November 15, 1952

16

International Conventions - $7 Million for Paris Alone - Where's the money?

by Ultimate Reality in

jw
friends

the "package" for americans to attend the paris convention this year was $2600 per person including airfare ($2000 w/o airfare).

the optional dinner vouchers were an additional $160 per person.

all this for 5 days.

Ultimate Reality

The "package" for Americans to attend the Paris convention this year was $2600 per person including airfare ($2000 w/o airfare). The optional dinner vouchers were an additional $160 per person. All this for 5 days. There were 3500 Americans at the convention. This works out to a minimum of $7,000,000 for just the Americans at this 1 convention.

Does the Society get a cut of this from the tour companies?

16

Non-Existent First Century GB / Council Quotes from Old Publications?

by Ultimate Reality in

i am looking for any references regarding the existence or (even better) the non-existence of a first century council / governing body in old watchtower publications.

it would most likely center on acts 14 and 15.. many of us have heard the fred franz recording about how there was no such body in the first century.

anybody have any pre-1970's quotes on this subject?.

Ultimate Reality

I am looking for any references regarding the existence or (even better) the non-existence of a First Century Council / Governing Body in old Watchtower publications. It would most likely center on Acts 14 and 15.

Many of us have heard the Fred Franz recording about how there was no such body in the First Century. Anybody have any pre-1970's quotes on this subject?

Thanks!

421

70 years = 607?

by allelsefails in

70 years of captivity?.

i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.

that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.

Ultimate Reality

allelsefails:

Would you mind posting a scanned copy of the branch's letter (edited to remove your name, of course)? I have seen (very recently) other letters from the branch that try to hide the issue and threaten the individual on the chronology issue. Perhaps they are changing some tactics. PM me if you wish.